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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:45 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

got to thinking today...
"why can't we use our powerful computers to render games - then capture the video output and stream the video across a LAN to any old underpowered pc like a netbook? Then we'd be able to play even the most demanding games on any computer in the house, even an ipad!"

so i tried out a bunch of stuff:
- Remote Desktop Connection comes with Windows, the one with Win7-Ultimate supposedly even lets you run DirectX 3D stuff. Don't bother, it's hamstrung, i wasn't able to run any of my games without either getting "Insert the correct DVD" messages or instant game crashes.

- TeamViewer, it works, but very slow framerates (barely 1 fps). I guess their codec is terrible. Lag alone was around 2-5 SECONDS, lol. A totally unplayable disaster scene - but at least it actually worked.

- Fantasy Remote. The best i've found yet. It simply converts the entire desktop into video, then streams it over the network. I was able to play BF2142 windowed @ 15fps using my terrible PCs, there seemed to be Lag of around 100-300ms?. With some power you'd be able to play a serious game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beeEyJ_Z8ow

Fantasy Remote was the best result i could find, but did i miss anything?
I remember there being some sort of thing announced at one of these E3 type techy expos - there was an interenet service you could subscribe to, and what happened is you play totally modern games over the internet on any pc - even a netbook, how it was done is that the games were actually HOSTED AND EVEN RENDERED (seemingly) on the servers.
So you could login even with a netbook and play a game of Crysis with all the details turned on and it would run wonderfully. It was really impressive. Hopefully if that kinda tech filters down and is incorporated into Remote Desktop on our PCs - it will be excellent.
(i can't remember what the service is called though. it was really impressive)
(edit:, thanks Ventman, the service was called OnLive)

Anyway i say again, Fantasy Remote was the best result i could find, but did i miss anything?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:18 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

I believe your looking for this.
Basically your idea paired with a Steam-like system to give you access to the games.

The idea has been discussed to death, and it basically won't work for any kind of competitive play because of the same lag issues you experienced.

Packet-switched networks are horrible at sending a steady stream of data, they were more suited for reliably getting data from source to destination at all costs, instead of as fast as possible.

The only way to get any kind of reliable connection would be with QOS packet prioritization, which is fine for private networks and VoIP, but goes against the very definition of net neutrality.

Your best bet is a separate, full functioning network (ala Internet2) alongside your internet connection, dedicated to just this purpose, which has about as good a chance of being made as me finding buried treasure in the Mojave Desert.
roid
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 10:17 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

thanks, your lead led to uncovering a variety of cloud-based gaming/game-streaming services in the same genre:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OnLive <-- the one you mentioned
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StreamMyGame <-- seems to be LAN based.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaikai
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTOY
http://www.google.com/search?q=Playcast

I understand the physical limits concerning lag on the cloud-based services, i was skeptical too. But i figured they are using some kindof advanced network-prediction & pre-rendering to pull it off.

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