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willkill
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:19 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Recently, I've been playing a different online game on occasion called Renegade:Command & Conquer. I'm sure most, if not all of you, are familiar with the series.
At any rate, I recently discovered a Trojan (I believe) named INSTICON. Since I don't fck with porn and I trust this community I'm assuming it came from Renegade. No one else uses my computer w/out my direct supervision.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:45 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

there's so many ways it could have come in, could have been a worm that just randomly targeted your pc.
in our modern interconnected age it's pretty hard to keep anything locked down.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:51 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

hmmm..ic...fkn sux


thx btw

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:52 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Extremely unlikely, any game that was targeted would likely crash. Keep up to date in windows update, and don't use internet explorer. Use firefox + adblockplus + noscript or you will get burned just from looking at a compromised website. And it doesn't even have to be porn, any current event that is likely to draw a lot of internet hits like earthquakes, or the olympics are going to be targeted. So just by searching for the news on some innocuous event going on somewhere you can land on a page that will infect your computer with a trojan.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 1:54 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Why so many people associate threats with porn is beyond me. You might have gotten hit with a drive by exploit. Its very easy to get infected with out the right protection.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:31 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

would like that I was smart enough to know all this bs..thx fellas.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 8:32 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

TigerRaptorFX wrote:
Why so many people associate threats with porn is beyond me. You might have gotten hit with a drive by exploit. Its very easy to get infected with out the right protection.


You don't understand why people associate threats with porn? Did you read what Krom posted above about items that draw hits being targeted? Guess what 25% of all search engine inquiries are about... Porn, like crack/warez sites have always been and will always continue to be a fertile field for viral infection.

That being said, yeah, even with the right protection, there are enough 0-day exploits discovered on nearly a daily basis that it's probably impossible to defend yourself completely without blocking all content but text. It's rather discouraging when you realize just how completely exposed you are anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 3:19 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

What do you think I was referring too? The fact is the porn thing gets thrown around way too much. Itís downright idiotic how many people think it. Oh he must be doing something with porn sites. Sorry, but it does get old after awhile.

Speaking of search engines. Google being one of highest targets for threats. I think Yahoo is next in line. Get something like a Trojan BHO and that shit will take your browser for ride.

As for the zero day threats. It is possible to stop to any threat dead it in tracks, even zero day. I donít know how familiar you are with security products. But there are other methods beside the typical Firewall and AV programs. This is where Sandboxing and HIPS programs come in. Two of my favorite recommend programs are DefenseWall and GesWall. If something does download and tries to modify anything. Wonít happen! Itís locked in a virtual environment that is isolated from the OS. Even if it shows up in memory it canít do shit. With just a simple click its terminated! Unless that person marks it as a trusted application.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 4:13 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

It's also likely you fell victim to a security hole exploited in an out-of-date plug-in for your browser. This is another reason why you should be using something other than Internet Explorer. Browsers like Firefox periodically check for updates not only for the browser itself, but all installed add-ons. (This includes all installed browser themes as well.)

For all you know, you may have fallen victim to the adobe reader/acrobat hole discovered not too long ago. (which btw, has the most retarded updater I've ever had the displeasure of using....) Current version is 9.3.1 btw
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 6:29 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Indeed, fuck acrobat in general, what a pain in the ass piece of software...

There's a reason the porn theory on virus infection is such a cliche...I'm sorry if I sounded condescending before, but I de-fuck so many people's computers, it's rather obvious that searching pr0n stupidly leads to a lot of problems. My buddy got back from England after Christmas, and lo and behold, he has a virused laptop. "I don't know what happened. I was just looking at the NFL scores." Hmm. Wonder why there are incessant popups for escort services in London.

...and Tiger, thanks for the crash course in "stuff I already know". 0-day exploits by definition have no defense, and may even be unknown to anyone but the malware author, so it's not difficult to imagine a situation where all your precautions come to naught - particularly if one of the exploits is a hole in your protection (Oh I know that'll never happen, right?) (ok I sounded condescending on purpose there)

(Anyone remember 99e99? Wink)

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:15 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Bunyip wrote:
There's a reason the porn theory on virus infection is such a cliche...I'm sorry if I sounded condescending before, but I de-fuck so many people's computers, it's rather obvious that searching pr0n stupidly leads to a lot of problems. My buddy got back from England after Christmas, and lo and behold, he has a virused laptop. "I don't know what happened. I was just looking at the NFL scores." Hmm. Wonder why there are incessant popups for escort services in London.


Noted.

Bunyip wrote:
...and Tiger, thanks for the crash course in "stuff I already know".


Glad to be of service. Razz

Bunyip wrote:
0-day exploits by definition have no defense, and may even be unknown to anyone but the malware author, so it's not difficult to imagine a situation where all your precautions come to naught - particularly if one of the exploits is a hole in your protection (Oh I know that'll never happen, right?) (ok I sounded condescending on purpose there)


Yes I know all about the little bastards. I could tell you where to find many them if you want.Twisted Evil

But you right, they are hard to defend agents. Hell even behavior based detection that many AV programs are now using have limits. This is why its best to build a PC defense in layers to help prevent it. But I'm sure you know that. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:04 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Think of the internet as women you meet at a Bar(or in TheWhat's case the clinic), why wouldn't you use common sense before you jump on in.

Treat every site like a meth addict going on year 5 with hideous amounts makeup and dentures

Oh btw - serial sites that generate a keygen for you... think about that one

Google is your friend - but some of the skank sites it shows you are not

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 12:58 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Just to add another level of protection, use OpenDNS instead of your ISP's DNS servers. http://www.opendns.com/

Make an account there (All of this is FREE btw!), and add your network under the Settings tab. If there are sites that you want to specifically block, or allow, you can add them here as well. The site is pretty straight-forward, but if you need any help, say so. I also recommend enabling all of the features under Security as well. This will actually prevent you from going to a known hijacked website, or sites known for malicious intent in general.

I also recommend that you use AVG, or some kind of AV package that has a "safe search" plug-in for your browser.
TigerRaptorFX
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 1:32 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Web of Trust is also good for alerting you of dangerous sites. I think AVG has something similar this.

http://www.mywot.com
S13driftAZ
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 5:20 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

TigerRaptorFX wrote:
Web of Trust is also good for alerting you of dangerous sites. I think AVG has something similar this.

http://www.mywot.com

I did not find web of trust to be helpful, because compared to McAfee Siteadvisor (yeah I know McAfee's gay) it only shows user ratings. The McAfee one says if the scans found anything harmful.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 01, 2010 8:24 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

in Google's Chrome browser, sometimes it will replace a webpage with a notice something like "warning, google found malware on this website in the past 24 hours, are you sure you wish to go?".

it comes up a lot, so i guess it's stopping a lot of shit.
Not that Chrome is particularly suseptable to malware anyway, afaik it's one of the most secure browsers around.

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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2010 9:15 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

holy sh...wow, thx for all the info fellas, greatly appreciated.

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