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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:10 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

an essay by Lowry and Ponnuru -
An Exceptional Debate

and some NRO commentary


Why?

Because it is good to remember.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:54 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Mindless crap you read dissent. Absolute crap.

Ugh...I love my country and then I realize there are millions of people here that think like you do. Can't you all move to Texas and then secede? That would be so goddamn awesome.

edit - Dissent, why should anyone besides Americans believe in American exceptionalism? I get so sick and tired of you guys thinking that the world should love us more than themselves. And the policing the world argument? Since, WW2, how many times have we actually done the "right" thing by ourselves?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 04, 2010 11:48 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Zuruck,

Thanks for you typically coherent and well thought out response.

All the best,
Dissent.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:07 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Good job there. Nothing coming back, as usual.

I just wonder if there's some master website where all you people get this crap. Everything about it was so typical right wing and laughable...it had all of your talking points in it. The usual "europe isnt religious enough and that's why they suck" to "america fights all the battles for everyone, whether they actually want us to or the battles actually need fighting"

My question, what exactly did you want us to "remember"?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 12:25 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Zuruck wrote:
Good job there. Nothing coming back, as usual. ...

...

My question, what exactly did you want us to "remember"?

Where America came from; what political and economic traditions were involved.


Zuruck wrote:
Ugh...I love my country and then I realize there are millions of people here that think like you do.

Diversity - really sucks, doesn't it. Razz

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:35 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Even though I thought it was GOP propaganda as I was reading it, I couldn't help but think of George Bush's war in Iraq, the GOP supreme court giving big business more power in the presidential election process....just as Obama is trying to reign in corporate greed..., and "Made in China" stamped on every product I buy.

Bee
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:53 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Obama is NOT trying to reign in corporate greed. Neither are anyone else elected or appointed in the federal government.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:16 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

...Sarcasm?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 8:17 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

resurrecting my thread for some updated reference information.

occasioned by reading the following post by Ed Morrissey on leftist protesters at the SRLC.
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/04/10/notes-from-the-srlc-fringe/
See Ed's essay here on "Rights and Wrongs"


http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberty-positive-negative/
some backgrounder info on the idea of "negative liberty" v. "positive liberty"
Quote:
Because the concept of negative freedom concentrates on the external sphere in which individuals interact, it seems to provide a better guarantee against the dangers of paternalism and authoritarianism perceived by Berlin. To promote negative freedom is to promote the existence of a sphere of action within which the individual is sovereign, and within which she can pursue her own projects subject only to the constraint that she respect the spheres of others. Humboldt and Mill, both defenders of the negative concept of freedom, compared the development of an individual to that of a plant: individuals, like plants, must be allowed to grow, in the sense of developing their own faculties to the full and according to their own inner logic. Personal growth is something that cannot be imposed from without, but must come from within the individual.

hence the idea of the American founding, the "American experiment", where the idea is to limit government and allow the individual to operate with freedom within that environment, as opposed to the idea of having government intrude and "define" the freedoms of the individual.



http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/liberalism/
more backgrounder info on negative and positive liberty, and on the transition of "liberalism" from the classical to the New Liberalism.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:03 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Bee wrote:
reign in corporate greed...,


Corporate greed is good. It drives innovation. Greed de-coupled from a healthy sense of risk is what causes trouble.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:25 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Look-up a definition for greed. Greed is excessive desire. Desire is good. To state that greed is good, or to think that it is responsible for anything that is worthwhile is a mistake. Desire is good--desire drives capitalism. Greed destroys markets, forms monopolies, kills environments, and takes whatever it can get from you and I, the consumer while giving as little as possible.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:55 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Thorne wrote:
Greed destroys markets, forms monopolies, kills environments, and takes whatever it can get from you and I, the consumer while giving as little as possible.


I never thought I would agree with you on anything. Smile

Greed - The desire to have more of something, such as food or money, than is necessary or fair.

Bee
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:01 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

I was watching this really old video about how bad socialism is and one of the things it mentioned was state owned farms and how the farmer didn't have any rights or the ability to make any of the decisions. And I immediately thought to myself "How is this any different from corporate owned farms?"...

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 7:30 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Thorne wrote:
Look-up a definition for greed. Greed is excessive desire. Desire is good.


Fair enough. Good point.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:29 am View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

There is something truly exceptional about America, something that exists nowhere else in the world today - and sadly is dying off here. America is the only place where people have historically overcome the amoral familism, tribalism and other shortsighted "isms" that infect the human race.

It's one of the things that has made us great - we act as a people, not as a fragmented mass.

John Ringo writes extensively about this quality in his book "The Last Centurion'. All of you righties and lefties should read it. It's a fictional account of a post apocalyptic world... essentially a world where the H1N1 epidemic actually happened... with VERY real commentary on today's society... and why touchy-feely leadership is a bad thing - especially when it gets out of touch with reality. You'll find it in the Science Fiction section, and while I found it a very thought-provoking book - be warned, it may be difficult for some of you whose lips move while you read. Stick with it though Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 8:30 pm View user's profile Reply with quote Send private message

Hey Bun, check this out. BANDIT SIX

It has all the episode listings, bandits blog...it's a very nice companion site for TLC.

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